China lays out its plan for Mars

Chinese space officials have come up with a plan that would send an orbiter toward Mars on a Chinese rocket as early as 2013, the Xinhua news agency reports. Such a mission would use technologies that were developed for the Chang'e 1 lunar orbiter and its recently launched follow-up mission, Chang'e 2.

The orbiter mission also would follow up on China's joint effort with Russia to send probes toward Mars and one of its moons, Phobos. Launch of the Phobos-Grunt mission is scheduled for a year from now. China's Yinghuo 1 ("Firefly") orbiter would hitch a ride on a Russian-built spacecraft that's designed to put a lander on Phobos and return a soil sample to Earth.

All this activity signals that Beijing will be taking its status as a space power seriously in the years ahead. NASA Administrator Charles Bolden has just returned from a controversial visit to China, and today he said in a written statement that the visit "increased mutual understanding on the issue of human spaceflight and space exploration, which can form the basis for further dialogue and cooperation in a manner that is consistent with the national interests of both of our countries."

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I knew it! China will beat us to Mars, just watch! They have a lot going for them honestly. With the huge swelling of nationalist pride, it wouldn't take much to convince the people their that putting boots on Mars would show the world how much more superior China is to the rest of the nations.

Best case scenario is that the US sweet talks China into joining an international effort for the trip/colonization.

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Reply#1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:34 PM EDT

For any nation to "put boots down on Mars" without international cooperation is ... impractical, to say the least.
China will need Russian help just to get anything into a Martian orbit. The U.S. and Russia haven't had a lot of luck with our Mars landers over the years. Basically around 50% of the landers sent to Mars have crashed and Burned. It's very difficult to land on another planet. And to jump on the "China will own space" band wagon I think is premature.

I think the most likely scenario is the sweet talking you mentioned. I don't think anyone can do it unilaterally (although, all the spacepowers have their mission designs on the table).

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#1.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT

"beat us to Bars"? Have you forgotten already the Mars rovers, the Viking landers, the Mars mapping orbiters? The US beat China by several decades, and Great Britain has already put a lander on Mars even though it failed to activate.

The plans announced today were merely for unmanned robotic landers and orbiters, not manned missions. Any manned missions to Mars are at the "idle speculation" stage.

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#1.2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT

To be clear, this is an unmanned orbiter. NASA has a couple of orbiters (Mars Odyssey and Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter) circling the planet, plus a couple of Mars rovers (Spirit and Opportunity) that aren't dead yet (though Spirit is not in great shape). The European Space Agency has its Mars Express probe there as well. So I wouldn't say "China will beat us to Mars" on the basis of these plans for the next few years. But I think your larger point is that China could continue on this path and turn this into a "race to Mars" for astronauts. I think you and Mob are correct that it's more likely China will take on a role in an international Mars effort. How big a role? We'll see........

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#1.3 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:43 PM EDT

A question, Is the Phoenix lander down for good? I can't remember which one was stuck and not responding on a slope inside a crater and did not have a good opportunity to charge it's solar cells over the long Martian winter.

    #1.4 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT

    Mob: Phoenix, this is the one that landed near the pole, sounds like its down for good. They think that ice has damaged the solar panels. I think Spirit is in the crater and its hibernating. They don't know if it will wake up.

      #1.5 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT

      Thank you TReed, I was mixing up my rovers. I'm so exited to see what the new one will do. Curiosity is a rover that is the size of an SUV (a little smaller, definitely not a an escalade). It will be interesting to see what these new devices can really do now that Spirit and Opportunity have done so well.

        #1.6 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT

        They're going to need another planet to live on after they poison their own country.

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        #1.7 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:14 PM EDT

        China is so far behind the US and Russia in human space flight that even attempting to plan and carry out a mission to Mars in the next 50 years is laughable.

          #1.8 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT

          That is great. I hope they spend all of their GDP to get to a place that has almost no atmosphere and is colder than Antarctica. Hopefully we will be smart and steal all of their developed technology and use it for our benefit.

            #1.9 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT

            It is cold on Mars. But it can reach temperatures of up to -5 degrees Celsius, that's 23 degrees Fahrenheit! (Martian summertime)

              #1.10 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT

              Anything the Chinese commie gov doing in space program is just propaganda to fool the million poor about the ever widen gap between them and the elite riches (happen to be the officials families and friends) in the country. I am skeptical about the true intention of the program announcement.

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              #1.11 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:10 PM EDT

              They can take Walmart with them.

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              #1.12 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:20 PM EDT

              The Chinese want "Boots" on our Moon more than they want boots on Mars. You can bet they will try for Mars recognition but that technology isn't theirs yet. They have very strong designs for the Moon for various strategic reasons. Hopefully, our illustrious politicians will awaken to that fact and that our corporations will do their very best at keeping Beijing from stealing the technology from us to help them accomplish the feat as eaisily as they have "appropriated" other Western technologies in the past.

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              #1.13 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:22 PM EDT

              I have yet to hear a conspiracy theory that was at all convincing, but one thing I am sure of, China DID fake its spacewalk. Because of my own personal investigation into the matter that eventually convinced me that they did fake the event, I have great doubts that they are serious about a Mars mission.

                #1.14 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:48 PM EDT

                Cool. A man on Mars by 2013. One small step for a man and one giant step for mankind.

                  #1.15 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT

                  What's all this childish competition coming from? "They're going to beat us..." Why this "Us against Them" mentality? Will we ever reach the "we" as "we, humankind"? Lordy, lordy, some people's kids..... I guess it's another example of "he who has the most toys wins", but in the end we still end up all dead, LOL

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                  #1.16 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:38 PM EDT

                  If this comes from the same junk I"m stuck with buying sometimes lots a luck..Bring soil back, don't they have enough soil ?

                    #1.17 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:57 PM EDT

                    EGG NOODLE STANDS ON MARS. Just so they do not import that style of government.

                    They have a clear path to world domination. THANKS to the weak political structure constantly money grabbing.

                    AND DON'T FORGET CHINA-MART

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                    #1.18 - Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:58 AM EDT

                    To mickey-1456937, you comment is the best of the best !

                      #1.19 - Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
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                      China is about leave the US behind. Any one reading the comments page on any of the posts here can see the political divide and state of the deteriorating economy is dragging down America. I am not a hater, I love America but from my view it will be a long road back to leading the world. It is not about Dems or Rep both have SOLD you out. These people can't agree on the color of the sky.

                      I still love space exploration and the great legacy of th Apollo missions ( a government program by the way)

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                      Reply#2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT

                      China will never leave the US behind. Look at Alan's post or look at the facts. Getting to people LEO is one thing, getting them to the Moon or Mars is quite another. Even with the buffoon or a president we have in office now, America could easily take a complete 10 year break form space travel and still be light years ahead of China.

                        #2.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT
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                        Hope China does beat us to Mars. It'll be a wake-up call for us to get back again on our space travel track, too. It would also encourage more nations to participate in joint ventures. None of our countries can afford doing this on our own anymore.

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                        Reply#3 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT

                        Duh??? Beat us?? They are a little late.

                          #3.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:44 PM EDT

                          amen -- it would be nice to have a different rallying point than just war after war. Sputnik - we miss you (yes, I know that it goosed us only based on the fear of war, but it's still a quantum measure better than shooting wars). The environment, world poverty, drug and human trafficking, starvation, etc. Nothing gets the country together better than losing a race. I'll secretly cheer the launch of the first Chinese manned mission (even if I secretly hope it crashes and burns).

                            #3.2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT

                            Somebody wrote:

                            I'll secretly cheer the launch of the first Chinese manned mission (even if I secretly hope it crashes and burns).

                            Why would you hope for that? I will openly wish them the best of luck.

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                            #3.3 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:29 PM EDT

                            Indeed. I openly have issues with communists but even I would wish them best of luck. We cannot keep holding on to the old ways. I realize my irrelevant distrust of communists is a problem, and I'm working on it. I can't blame an entire people for something I really don't even understand. All I know is that going forward as HUMANITY is the only way to think about it. I love America but we need to move into global, peaceful mindset.

                            But again this is where I depart into social structure ideals, I don't want the whole world to be communist or socialist or fascist. I don't think capitalism is the best answer either but it's the one I feel most comfortable with so I'm biased.

                            China will put a lot of time and money and effort into their space program, and for that I admire them. We did it, we still do it, and I hope we will soon put even more effort into our American space program.

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                            #3.4 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT
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                            The red planet and Mao's little red book.

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                            Reply#4 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:01 PM EDT

                            Honestly, I don't care who gets there first (I'd like it to be me), as long as people are starting to push out from this planet. Earth is a single point of failure for the entire human race. Nationalism will just turn the whole world into the US congress and we'll die of stagnation.

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                            Reply#5 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT

                            Amazing how many of the commenters jumped to the wrong conclusion. What was announced was just China's plans to send unmanned orbiters and landers to Mars, with one lander going to the Mars moon Phobos. No mention of "manned missions", but that's what far too many assumed it was about!

                              Reply#6 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:45 PM EDT

                              If you follow the the "written statement" link in the article above you'll find a little more of what Boldin had to say about his recent visit. It's interesting how similar the language is to that of the "U.S.-China Joint Statement" from November 2009 (that's when Obama went to China and stood on the Great Wall in a wind breaker).

                              A snippit from that statement reads as follows: "The United States and China look forward to expanding discussions on space science cooperation and starting a dialogue on human space flight and space exploration, based on the principles of transparency, reciprocity and mutual benefit. Both sides welcome reciprocal visits of the NASA Administrator and the appropriate Chinese counterpart in 2010." For the whole statement follow this link http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/us-china-joint-statement

                              It really sounds to me like the stage is being set for real cooperation between the super powers in terms of space programs. Although, it is the government talking so it still sounds very shady. and as a matter of personal opinion I for one don't like doing business with Communists. But I'm keeping an open mind on issue.

                                Reply#7 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:49 PM EDT

                                 WE went off to space, got there and just like everything this country does, it was just once so we could puff up our egos.  All that effort just to build a space bus and crash it on a regular basis.  If this country could just figure out what it is that we want and JUST DO IT, we might be more than a buch of braggerts.

                                  We could have been on mars 20 years ago if we did something with the genious of this country. This country has just figured out that, If you pinch your egotisticalm butt too tight all you do is cut off the circulation to your head.

                                  Reply#8 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:50 PM EDT

                                  Sounds like all that they are trying to do is an orbital insertion. But to do this by 2013, I'll just have to wait to see if they even make that deadline. The big difference now is to see how the commercial space business will take off in the US. If this takes off like they hope, I think the American public will start to get more interested in space.

                                    Reply#9 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT

                                     by the time the usa gets to mars,,,,there'll be a chinese walmart waiting for us;-)

                                      Reply#10 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT

                                      Government contractors did almost all of the work, but it was indeed organized by the govt.

                                        Reply#11 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:05 PM EDT

                                        HAHAHA there are sure alot of people on here that either dont follow the news or follow whats going on with our space program. China is decades behind America in all phases of space exploration, they just sent a manned spacecraft into a low orbit, that is all they have done. What was the year that we had people walking on the moon ? ummm 1969 where was china ??? hmmm has China ever made a shuttle that could land like an airplane ? mmmmm no! Have we already sent probes and rovers to mars ? ummm yes , did we piggy back a russian rocket ummm no! Dont give China too much credit they have a long way to go....so all you American haters should just move to China and shut up !

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                                        Reply#12 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT

                                        That's exactly what I was going to say...I know the article is about orbiters but a. U.S. already had orbiters around Mars a LOOOOOONG time ago, and b. if it WAS about a manned flight, it's a little tough for China to beat the U.S. to Mars when China hasn't even been to the moon yet....that would be like a toddler walking and running before they learned to crawl.

                                          #12.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:31 PM EDT

                                          That's exactly what I was going to say...the article is about orbiters and the U.S. already had ones around Mars a LOOOOOONG time ago, and even if it were about a manned mission, it's a little tough for China to beat the U.S. to Mars when the Chinese haven't even been to the moon yet...that would be like an infant learning to run before crawling and walking.

                                            #12.2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT
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                                            I'm sure the NASA chief discussed with the Chinese how the agency is trying to interface with muslims and how they can better understand NASA. Mars? What about Mars? Is space travel that important as the Chinese listened carefully.

                                              Reply#13 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:18 PM EDT

                                              Someone wrote "Earth is a single point of failure for the entire human race." That's right. And it always will be. The human body is evolved for this environment, and no other. For this gravity, with immunity for Earth virus's (except those that kill us), for this level of radiation, for this cycle of day and night. To think we will find another Earth-like planet to go to is silly. Humans will never leave this solar system, and Earth is the only place we will ever be able to live at.

                                              So what we need to focus on for the future of humanity is solving political problems and man-made global warming. And at least thinking about long term plans to deal with global catastrophes like volcanoes (one major eruption at Yellowstone could end civilzation as we know it) and global climate change due to natural cycles.

                                              It would be nice, fun to send humans to Mars. It won't happen in the lifetimes of anyone alive today, but it would be cool. But to think of Mars as a place to re-settle humans? Never. No magnetic shield.

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                                              Reply#14 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT

                                              such short sightedness...

                                              Briggs, you write "the human body is evolved for this environment, and no other." I ask you, do you think we cannot evolve for another environment?? If life on Earth shows any over-arching trait in common I would say it's an ability to adapt to every environment you throw at that life (whether it's human or not). So if we can avoid being killed by radiation, and if we can also figure out some sort of anti-grav idea like centrifugal-grav then I think we have a very good shot at surviving and thriving anywhere!

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                                              #14.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:31 PM EDT

                                              If we continue to think as you do, then YES Earth will be our tomb. As highly adaptable, intelligent hominids, we can go wherever we want, and live and come back to tell the tale. An arcadia of super-abundant "Earths" ARE out there. That's not speculation, that's mathematical fact.

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                                              #14.2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT

                                              I think it will happen in our lifetimes,next 20 yrs i bet,there's to many re-runs on discovery channel as it is. Half a dozen episodes prep,a dozen episodes the mission,half a dozen episodes the return and conclusions.DVD box set on sale by christmas the year they return,you can bet on it,you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out

                                                #14.3 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
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                                                Duh, I know our landers were first. In the 70's I was an undergrad in a university's extra-terrestrial geology lab. The professor in charge of analying photos of the Martian terrain later created the maps that guided our first lander in. What I really meant was that after China clears her own technological hurdles, she'll continue going all-out in the intent to be first with MANNED landings. Newsweek recently claimed that attaining international prestige is foremost with China, and a manned landing would do it. But being no dummy, she knows she'll need help. This is where Russia enters in...but maybe also Japan, Western Europe, and even...us! In today's crazy mixed-up world, a multi-national space travel projecy on a scale this large could be a huge leap towards peace.

                                                  Reply#15 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:21 PM EDT

                                                  Mr. Boyle: Why didn't you say in the first place that it was an unmanned mission being discussed??  Of course everyone thought the opposite.  There are many millions of people in this country who are sick that the US is not aggressively pursuing manned missions to the Moon and Mars.  I for one would be delighted if China kicked certain people off their lazy butts with an aggressive space program. 

                                                    Reply#16 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT

                                                    In Boyle's defense the first line of the article reads "Chinese space officials have come up with a plan that would send an orbiter toward Mars".. He actually never mentions anything that could be misconstrued as a Chinese manned mission. The only thing that come even remotely close is that the Chinese "will be taking its status as a space power seriously in the years ahead." which I can understand how some would jump to conclusions on that but, really, re-read the article, No where does it mention chinese manned spaceflight.

                                                      #16.1 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT

                                                      yep

                                                        #16.2 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT
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                                                        The more we get excited about people getting involved in space the better for us all. Technology is a wonderful thing and when it becomes important to the masses, just think how much can be gained.

                                                          Reply#17 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:41 PM EDT

                                                          hopefully he doesnt get attacked by aliens

                                                            Reply#18 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT

                                                            I think it's great that China is growing up and looking outside itself, looking to work with the rest of the world's nations to push space exploration and research. This nationalistic hooey about "boots on mars" is for losers. Anybody heard of the ISS? Google it and be amazed at what international cooperation can do. China cannot and will not go to mars alone. I'm sure they have already reverse-engineered everything NASA, Russia, and the ESA have done in the last 50 years, so they're already "working with" the international community. If they pay the biggest share of $ (or Yuan) in the overall budget for a manned mars misssion maybe they'll get the first astronauts to walk on mars. Maybe we flip for it? Rock/paper/scissors? Who cares? Go humans!

                                                              Reply#19 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:01 PM EDT

                                                              We need to send the entire population of Pakistan to Mars. Then maybe we get back to fixing this planet.

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                                                              Reply#20 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:04 PM EDT

                                                              The sudden "fear" that China will become a leading-edge space power, that China may team up with India or Russia or both and that the combine would eclipse NASA in the "race to Mars" is key to understanding the sudden shift of focus from a renewed effort to land a more advanced, longer term expedition to The Moon to the current "lunar bypass" policy. First is history. Second, third, or last are footnotes. US space tech and space prestige are once again facing challenges and nothing could be better for NASA and all concerned with or connected to it. Given the current economics, it is unlikely that NASA will get a major funding increase any time soon. As I have said so often, until the gigantic military squid becomes a creature of the past, there is not enough capital available to truly explore either Mars or The Moon. Curbing the appetite of a destructive global military, which is draining GDP everywhere with one war after another and another, is essential to building an industry capable of supporting human ex-ter expansion and colonization. Diverting human and material resources away from the military, away from warfare and into a progressive, systematic approach to exploring our nearest and most accessible neighbors may take a century.

                                                                Reply#21 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:07 PM EDT

                                                                It would be an economic tragedy if NASA were given resources to attempt putting humans on Mars.   Due to the culture of putting "technology" over "value", NASA has not produced an economically useful first stage booster since the Saturn V.   NASA has wasted so much of its resources on the $pace $huttel that it has ruined American Space Exploration

                                                                Think where we might be if NASA embraced THIS technology instead of the $pace $huttle

                                                                "http://www.buzzle.com/articles/big-dumb-boosters-low-tech-path-to-orbit.html"

                                                                  Reply#22 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:12 PM EDT

                                                                  They build a 3000 mile Freeway in 2 years and we cant even rebuild the twin towers with ANYTHING in almost 10 years.

                                                                  All we will be doing for the next decade is chasing our tails....sadly.

                                                                    Reply#23 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:22 PM EDT

                                                                    Still proud to be an American, at least sometimes!

                                                                      Reply#24 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:22 PM EDT

                                                                      You might want to read some of the articles that NASA has written on Mars. Most if not all of them mention that for a manned mission to Mars it would be A.)LOOOONG B.)Lonely C.)very isolated. Then there is the problem of the sun slowly robbing what little atmosphere Mars has, and the radiation exposure on the side that faces the sun would be higher than humans can currently tolerate, the dark side is just above absolute -0-, so you would freeze to death before you even got started. Nope, Mars is not the next step ladies and gentlemen, we go back to the moon and then further out into the cosmos searching for our new home. Mars is to subject to being a death trap for human kind, and I'm not so sure that in reality that it is all that stable of a planet anyhow. Makes more sense to go from here to deeper space, because when the sun does go out, if Mars is still around, it will be the first planet to go in the explosion, then where will mankind be?

                                                                        Reply#25 - Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:31 PM EDT
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